I was really excited and
energized by the conversations sparked by my last post. They mostly took place in other forums but
that is fine with me. I don’t care where
the conversations happen so long as we are having them. I did want to say thanks to Jodee and Suzanne
for having a part of the conversation in the comments to the last post so that folks who were not part of the forum,
Facebook, and private message conversations could get a taste of it. There were some things said (not by me) that
I thought were too profound not to share.
So I’m reproducing some of the chatter below. As always I have asked for permission to
share and NOT included anything where permission was not given. I also have honored folks wishes to be
identified or not identified with their comments.
Since these are snippits
taken from various conversations I have done a few very small edits as needed
to clarify context. These are in parentheses
ME: Suzanne sounded very judgmental to me - I had a hard time being neutral in my reply
but if I want others to hold off judgment for our kids I need to too right?
Victoria: LOVE your
response to her thought and very valid points.
Something I think about often myself
Jenn: I don’t know sounds like frustration to me.
RJ: Yes, it was frustration mixed with some judgment
I’m afraid.
Linda: How brilliant (it would be) for our kids to
learn to be so nonjudgmental of themselves that they could say that (meaning “Look
I’m sorry. I have impaired impulse control abilities. Could we please handle
the coffee payment differently while I am here? Is it possible to have a locked
location for the money?“)
Mom of FASD child: And that kind of workplace (where they could
be open about their challenges) would be wonderful!
Savanna: Wouldn't it be
great to be able to say Sorry I have impulse control disabilities, please take
this back, it belongs to you. And the other person says Yeah? That’s cool and
really interesting, Thanks for giving it back - how can I accommodate you?
Me: Right what if the default response was - Is
there some way I can help?
Savanna: We all know that kind of honesty would get you rolled eyes and you
would be considered insubordinate and seen as making excuses and a lie right
there (about your disability)
Me: Yes because people
really believe behavior is ALWAYS voluntary and willful.
Savanna: Agree, no one would be hiring us. Know what else they would say? You
look fine to me, as they called the police or fired us. They'd say we had intent and forethought and
malice. And we are very aware that is
how that will go down. We are judged by standards that don't make sense for our
disability. If we can't be accepted for
telling the truth then we have no choice but to lie, cover up, and live in
shameful silence
Jenn: About that commentor – I see a lot of
frustration there more than anything. I
think this is a program that matters very much to her and having these
“failures” really hurts. Like it possibly puts the program in jeopardy. And it sounds like she has invested a lot in
making it work – in doing something she believes in – giving folks with
disability a chance.
Me: Thank you for that
“perspective” I had not thought of and it makes me a lot more
understanding. I feel bad for not seeing
it myself.
RJ: When people feel like that they often come
across as hard-ass...Sometimes, these people are not enough in touch with their
own feelings of guilt or sorrow and this comes across as well.
Me: See this is why I love
this community – you guys have compassion for everyone!
RJ: (about the post
itself) Wow... that "RJ" guy
sure has a lot to say, huh?
Me: He sure does – maybe I just need to have a
regular piece called “RJ Says”
RJ: Maybe some different perspective (on what I
originally said that inspired the post) though? NTs value us being able
to 'fit in" for their benefit to be sure, and No, in effect they are not
honoring our true selves by expecting us to fit into a nice neat mold. And Yes
- That is hugely insulting... but here's the thing, it's not personal, it's
systemic... they don't call this a paradigm shift for nothing. Society as whole, no matter how much we hope,
is not there yet. So, this then comes down to a question of picking and
choosing battles, in my own mind. If I can come across as fitting in so another
person can understand me, that's fine.
This is a very complicated
question in its own way, it is something I have had to learn, and it's been a
good thing to know. Some days, as you
know I am up for the fight... but on those days I'm not... it's good to just
fit in and hide in plain sight. I hope that brings my point across a little
more clearly.
Me: It sure does – thank you RJ. See this is why having conversations / sharing perspectives is
so important.
Savanna: Here are my thoughts about the post… The
desire to belong is inherent in all societies across the world. To find one's
group of acceptance and to be able to identify with others is a need necessary
for bonding which is necessary for survival.
To be indistinguishable
(not distinguishable?) would be to be a robot programmed for the sake and
purpose of others motives. It’s also dangerous as one can be easily misled and
manipulated.
One would also be mediocre
and levels of creativity would be nonexistent. The world needs different
brains. Where would the world be without
Winston Churchill, Marilyn Monroe, Ernest Hemingway. Carl Jung Einstein, to
name a few. The different brain has access to talents and creative thought that
others do not. .A world like this would
not be beneficial or thriving for anyone.
When we cover up our disability or brain differences in order to pass
for acceptable we:
-Kill our spirit, our intended purpose.
-we dishonor God when we dishonor or reject the self
-we end up feeling fake, phony and become in full blown identity crisis which
usually makes us feel we are mentally insane.
-This leads to burying our feelings, and numbing our confusion with addictive
substances used in order to "feel normal"
-It goes against our true nature and anything we do that blocks us from our
consciousness and doesn't align us with our true nature is a lie. It’s
devastatingly exhausting and hard and damaging to live a lie. "You are
only as sick as your secrets." I read that once.
This mask or covering up can be felt intensely by the individual themselves and
it leads to confusion of authenticity. It’s stressful and unhealthy, ultimately
leading to more behaviors that are dangerous to our mind, body and soul and
further separating us from ourselves and isolating us from normal society.
Me: You see Savanna – this
right here is why I push you and X (who prefers not to be named right now), and
RJ to post your own blogs and speak out.
Savanna – I’m paralyzed
with just starting. I wonder why I am
frozen. Maybe because it means so much to me. Perfectionism too (I have
trouble) getting the thoughts out of my head they are too numerous and all over
the place and sentences are really hard for me.
I need someone to write my thoughts into original sentences
Me: No Savanna you really don’t. What you just said - that was perfect right there.
X: I don’t speak in public or write either
because it doesn’t feel safe. You know
that whole conversation about how people would roll their eyes while they
called the cops? That is real. That is my life. I have enough judgment in my life – why
would I want to invite more? (by writing and inviting comment / discussion)
Me: I get it I do. At least as much as someone who
doesn't LIVE with it can. But having the
conversations is the only way I can see to change it.
RJ: I don't feel like a leader of any sort..... I
dunno..... somebody has to do it
Me: YES – A little at a time I am going to drag
you all into it! LOL
RJ: I love the challenge I put myself here, and while I may feel a little undeserving...
I AM going to keep going... too many people I care about are suffering
Yes, yes they are RJ. Thank you - Thank ALL of you for allowing me to share your thoughts and words. Let's keep the conversation going. I want more of us talking about this. I want all of us - all of everyone talking about it.